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Fahrenheit 451 and Trauma Moments

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Those people, those moments that catch us off guard and show us something more. Something new. Something different. Something we hadn’t thought of. Clarisse was one of those people and her meeting Guy Montage was one of those moments. She was a trama moment he could have rejected or allowed effect him.

We have these trauma moments in our life that offer us occasion of grand choice. We choose what we want them to be. How we want them to effect us and to what degree. To grow or be crippled by. Though we might deny them entirely, they stand to us with clear opportunity.

“How can I leave myself alone? We need not to be let alone, we need to be really bothered once in a while. How long is it since you were really bothered? About something important, about something real?”

Montag says this to his wife Mildred after having seen an old woman burned alive with her books the night before.  This moment, this moment of being bothered by something is what I refer to as a Trama Moment.

Sorry for the bad video quality, it’s my connection + bad lighting in the room. 

These are scattered, random thoughts. Probably don’t make much sense. Just something to think about, if you want to. Learn a lot so I can improve since I’ve never filmed myself, besides this time and… one other time. 

Post I’ve made after making the video: (This is in the video if my English sucks beyond comprehensions)

I’ve been reading Blink by Malcolm Gladwell, and in his book he presents an idea that, summarized (if I got it right) would be - when you first look at things or a person, you get impressions and emotions right in the first 2 seconds - and they are in most cases the right and most accurate ones. I personally don’t like this book because it seems to be a psychology for the masses, really simplified and while he presents an interesting idea, he adds examples on top of it instead of expanding that idea. I’ve only read few chapters of it, so I’m not gonna judge it yet, but while I dislike it at the moment I’d still recommending - it’s still an interesting read.

Any way, I wanted to talk about Words. If his idea is true, then the first two seconds, the first impressions you got of me are the right ones. They should be unprejudiced, nonjudgmental, nonstereotyped. That’s something you should aspire to, in order to get the right impressions of people. When you wish to share that with me, like if I ask you what impression did you get of me - you need to put it into words. And have you ever felt that ecstatic, not sad not happy, not delirious not exciting yet you want to explode - feeling? When listening to a new song or you are at a concert? You know you do, well wasn’t it extremely hard to explain to someone who hasn’t felt it?

Our communication is flawed. It’s like the emotions get transcribed or translated through four steps. The first step is translating your emotions, something that only you understand because everybody has a different set of emotions and a unique set of you - into thoughts. When thoughts kick in, the world around you kicks in, all the prejudices and all the ideas how to translate it the best way possible. It’s extremely hard, and it’s fascinating how our brain actually works. After that, thoughts get transcribed into words, and words get transcribed into typed out words if you are on the internet. Along with words you have hand gestures, non verbal speech, facial expressions. On the internet, you don’t even have that. With every transcription we lose several extremely important keypoints. 

We don’t have an USB port for emotions, unfortunately.

Other thing I wanted to talk about is language - if we make the language, not the language us, then we need more words. But, since it can be found in a thousand copies, the dictionaries, the guidebooks, whatever - it’s fact. It’s something unchangeable. You are not allowed to change it. The same thing with the fact that there were several acknowledged psychological researches were they concluded that society and their peers raise children and - not their parents, their parents guide them. While it may not be true, in most cases of my experience and other stories - I see that it is true! Then why don’t we change that definition?

Are we that scared of change? Losing boundaries? Are we that insecure in ourselves, that we don’t trust us, not to say others?

by Luka.

(Pst, extras: Matthew gave some great insight on my rant, so here you go if you’re interested.)
Matt: Ah right good. Well I sort of disagree with your point that emotions are transcribed into thoughts, which are influenced by the culture/society or whatever, because I feel that you can “think” or whatever without having an emotional trigger, but perhaps you were talking in a certain context, I don’t know. Regarding “not being able to change language”, well, you can. English and other languages are.. well I can’t remember the official term but basically they are defined by the people. When a word becomes commonly used it becomes part of the language, whereas I think German is a “rote” language or something where the language is as written, or whatever, and cannot change from “German” as it is. But yeah basically a shared symbol system only gets us so far. As Aldous Huxley says - “We can pool information about experiences, but never the experiences themselves. From family to nation, every human group is a society of island universes.” 

Luka: Only in the context of trying to describe something you felt. There is no ‘language of the feels’ (?). You need to put it in a box, and if you start by saying something and that person has a facial expression you (<insert reason here> think of/take it in as a negative one), you immediately change your whole definition, maybe changing your whole emotion in itself. And about the language part - it’s only because we don’t add new words. We’ve already had a discussion for respect/gratitude, but none of those words fit our definitions (if you remember it Matt/Nic/A/if anybody else was in it), we got confused over them. 
Any case, now I know what to improve - write thoughts first, then pile them up, see if your initial point is getting across, then make a video. This was just a mumbo-jumbo I had to share with someone.

Matt: Well that’s the same for language as a whole when you think about it Luka. We try to translate experience into words, into little boxes with specific definitions which we are told. Experience is probably the furthest thing from words as you can get, it is incomprehensible or at least indescribable as a whole, but because we need to get shit done we ascribe arbitrary values to certain dimensions of reality that we separate and call a “chair” or whatever. But any word has connotations, and language therefore influences and boxes in our thinking, and possibly even our experiences too. There were studies done in children pre and post-language, and there were notable differences in the way the appeared to perceive the world around them.

Luka: Yeah, touched that point after in a brief unfinished sentence (?). I just find sorta strange we’re good at a system that is flawed in so many ways, and that technology can’t break this ‘thoughts’ shell. It’s fascinating how our brain works though, translating them through the ‘levels’.

Matt: I’m pretty sure technology will be able to break the barrier between minds though Luka. Already we have technology that can translate brain activity into video and audio, as crappy as it is. The issue still remains that whatever you are seeing is still just a translation though. Even if we had brain implants and could send experience or whatever telepathically, you’d still have to wonder whether your experience of, say, the colour red is really the same as theirs, and the brain patterns are not just equivalent to words, they are symbols representative of but not dictating the content of experience.

Luka: Bingo! Same thoughts. I was always sad when I thought that the colours could be different to every person and even if he had a chance to literally show it - it’d probably get misunderstood. Yet, I want a new system because this one seems limiting.

RENT: Eliciting emotion

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Prior to watching the first show of the production’s run, I had never seen a production, sparse high school skits being the exception. Being someone who far more than regularly watches films in theaters and I was familiar with the initial environment. The limits that a live production has when compared to hulking studio produced and even a personal indie film are obvious and it was largely because of them that I expected so little from the performance, I assumed it could grab my attention but only to an extent and that it would be reach the level that even a bad film does. But when the lights went down and Mark spoke his first words, I was intrigued and caught off guard. When the singing began I was surprised by the raw musical talent and after ten minutes the characters were real.

The very concept that people, so real as I am that my sensory perceptions have the time to double and triple check their existence, to confim that they are flesh blood and completely unknown beings to me and yet, they were able to stir up an emotional response that is often gone unmade by those who would be said to have a friendship with me is still on a level of unfamiliar comprehension. My mind continually side-by-side compared the live experiences I was witness to with all of my previous first hand experience, increasing the emotional reaction. 

Watching as a third party entity unable to interact with the situation made it all very dreamlike. Knowing you could be of assistance, knowing if you stepped in and helped, if you better explained the motives of the players that you could better them and not being able to do so is so very much like the dream realm.

The Wave Function Collapse of Personalities

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The Wave Function Collapse is a phenomenon in which the physical possibilites of a particle are reduced to a single possibility due to an observer’s presence.

I posit that personalities function in much the same way.

          When a person is known only via indirect means the mental concept of who they are in the mind of others is far reaching and because there are few cues to anchor them down as a whole the imagination runs wild with every bit of information. The online personality is extremely malleable unlike the direct one experienced face to face. Only a fraction of a person is represented when the contact is indirect and so the mind must automatically fill in the gaps without solidification and they continually conform and expand to whatever information is presented without limitation. In direct contact however due to the now represented characteristics, more information can be gathered and the ratio shifts in the concept of who they are as a person, the previously unknowable aspects are now on display . When the person is directly observed the possible personalities collapse into one stable concept and they cease to be just an idea.

“All human beings are also dream beings. Dreaming ties all mankind together.” — Jack Kerouac

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An experiment I’ve always wanted to try and train my lucid dreaming abilities to the extent of being able to control every aspect of the dream and enter into it from your waking state without any lapse in consciousness. Find another who is also at this level and plan out a shared dream. plan to the detail what you both dream, enter at the same time and control every aspect except for that other person, only that they are there. IS there anyway to have a shared dream experience and if not how much will the dreams end up differing from one another?

"tired." the boy pondered the word, tried it for taste, spat it back out again. he wove it into his skin, brushed it onto his fingertips. he threaded it within his heartstrings, pulling so tightly that his eardrums hummed and his eyes saw stars and his ribs tingled, pulled until the five letters melted and their essence filled his entire being. then he knew; then he felt the weight of the world on his shoulders. he drowned himself in it, not knowing how to get out, only surrounded by the echoes of his own voice resonating through his bones — “i am so very tired.”

Today instead of having our usual compulsory R.E lesson, we had 2 speakers come in from Uganda. They were teachers in Uganda who had flown over to tell us about the awful conditions they have to teach in and the awful conditions their students have to study in.

When they came into the classroom they had their smart clothes on and were wearing big puffy jackets. They stood somewhat awkwardly in the doorway, looking at us, this room of 30 odd students and a couple of teachers. It must have been scary, to say the least. I felt like we were all to quiet, the teachers were behaving like students. I didn’t like it. 
We were shown a short clip of one of the schools in Uganda; how it operated and what it looked like. One of the teachers, or ‘brothers’ as they referred themselves as was in the clip, explaining how the school works.
After the clip, one of the ‘brothers’ started speaking and we were all merely sitting there staring at him. His voice was slightly croaky, and he explained to us that it was because he had to shout in his classrooms to be audible to the 100 or so students in his class. In the clip, there was a shot of the classroom and it struck me how squashed all the uniformed students were; there was hardly any space to move, and they were all facing the teacher at the front who used the blackboard and pen to teach the students. I wondered how well behaved they would have to be, how they would have to be quiet as it would be so difficult to teach above noise. 
Brother John, as one of them was called used abrupt actions to put forward what he had to say and I could see a few of my peers turning to each and other and laughing. The way he presented himself was different to the way we are used to seeing a teacher being presented. I didn’t know whether to laugh with him, or to be serious because it was such a serious matter.
Brother Tom stood up when prompted by Brother John, although most of the hour he sat down with his head in his hands, contemplating or thinking hard, it seems. He was better at speaking English and sometimes provided Brother John with an unknown word.
When it was time to answer questions, most of us just sat there. I felt so embarrassed because it looked like we weren’t interested. I felt so awful. A couple of us asked questions but the rest of us sat in silence, even the teachers. I felt like a small shy child. I didn’t want to though, I wanted to go up to both of them and ask them so many questions and ask them how I could help and what I could do. But no one said anything, really. 
At the end, our teachers told them that we had run out of time and that the session had provided us with an insight of the differences between our school and their school.

I thought, it’s much more than that.  

Young Adult: Emotions

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Though the marketing still gives my eyes a rash the film itself isn’t nearly as irritating.

SPOILERS:

It’s actually a fairly refreshing portrayal of human emotions. Most films would eventually one way or another reveal to you the deeper cause of a character’s actions or impulses but Young Adult never does and that is it’s value. Mavis(Charlize Theron) runs entirely on emotional impulse and ignores reason and the most blatantly obvious things and that is exactly what emotions drive us to do. Sure they don’t act exclusively in the realm of the “immature” but they tend to do so the more attention they receive. Mavis get’s continually more wrapped up in her emotions but ultimately they amount to nothing more than the first emotional impulse that was taken to it’s extreme.

The film continues Mavis’s reflection by never holding any ultimate truth behind it. Emotions are entirely shallow with no more depth than what we generate into them.

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